Archive for September, 2009

In Re: [Mona Eltahawy] A Book Burner for Unesco?

September 26, 2009

I commented on A Book Burner for Unesco?

I agree that the passive salafism is for the most part a Saudi import into Egypt.

After studying the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood, I have the impression that it encompasses two somewhat different currents: Westernizing Islamic modernists and Salafist reformers, who want to go back to primary Islamic principles in order to find an Islamic path to modernization.

These two separate  intellectual currents seem to be inherent in the thinking of Sayid Qutb, who in his last writings developed analysis that could be used to justify the revolutionary Salafism of someone like Ayman al-Dhawahiri.

The last stage of Qutb’s thought developed out of his confrontation with Nasserism, with which Qutb saw no possibility of compromise.

Hasan al-Banna, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Sayid Qutb and their followers have been on the right track.

Basic principles of modern governance typically involve some form of (1) separation of powers, (2) national vs. regional organization, and (3) checks and balances.

As the last 8 years of the Bush administration has shown, checks and balances are hard to maintain in modern Western governments.

In Islamic tradition commitment to sacred law has generally provided an effective check on excessive executive power or caudillismo, but Arab and Islamic modernizers have tended to discard the limits on the executive (rather as happened in France under Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte).

One could argue that the Islamic modernizers have tried to restore the balance to system by reintegrating Islam into the modern state.

Because this project has failed to a large extent thanks to Western interference, a fourth current of thought has developed, which I call Arab Salafi Jihadism and which I discuss in Collision: Jewish-Zionist, Arab-Islamic Transnational Politics.

Someone like Farouk Hosni is a caudillist apparatchik (аппаратчик) opportunistically trying to capitalize on various Islamic political currents, but he does not really belong to any of them.

Like Hussayn Haqqani in Pakistan (see the discussion of Fatima Bhutto’s op-ed in Who Killed Benazir Bhutto?) Farouk Hosni is also willing to cozy up to Jewish power when it serves his purposes:  [NY Times] Private Motive for Egypt’s Public Embrace of a Jewish Past.

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In Re: [Moftasa] The NDP synagogue

September 23, 2009

I commented on The NDP synagogue:

FYI: [NY Times] Private Motive for Egypt’s Public Embrace of a Jewish Past.

I based the (italicized) preface on my experience of doing business in Egypt about 10 years ago. Please feel free to correct any of my misunderstandings.

Living in in the Hub of the Universe (Boston) has always given me a feeling of connection to umm el-dunya, and I have been fascinated with the Asraf Marwan mystery, which I discuss in Followup: [wvns] U.S.-Israeli Relationship & 9-11 and which I believe has a definite Boston connection.

I am always interested in new ideas on the subject.

In Re: [Islam in Europe] Netherlands: Tariq Ramadan responds

September 23, 2009

I commented on Netherlands: Tariq Ramadan responds

Tommy’s comment fairly clearly indicates that the subtext of hysteria about Muslim integration consists of Zionism and the State of Israel.

Jihadwatch is a part of the David Horowitz Freedom Institute, which is really only concerned that the USA and the European states follow a pro-Israel foreign policy.

In general media Zionists both in the USA and in Europe are totally freaked out that the Muslim community is implacably anti-Israel.

I watched them whip up a hysteria in Boston where there was none, and thanks to the involvement of wealthy Boston Jews in Dutch politics I now have a ringside seat on the effort to create hysteria in the Netherlands.

The Jihadwatch article is a piece of crap.

Sayid Qutb never met Hasan al-Banna, and during the 30s the New Yishuv was receiving money from Germany while the legitimate native resistance to racist Zionist invaders and interlopers from Central and Eastern Europe was for the most part cash-starved.

Spencer’s questions are some sort of attempt to delegitimize Ramadan because he considers Islamic scripture divine just as a Jewish or Christian believer might consider Jewish or Christian scripture to be divine.

While Jews may have problems with Muslim believers as fellow citizens, European and North American governments simply do not consider religious belief a legitimate basis for exclusion from full citizenship.

If there is going to be this sort of interrogation of believers, I would rather start with Rahm Emanuel and Dennis Ross, and my questions are real simple:

  1. Do you give priority to the interests of the USA or to the State of Israel?
  2. Do you believe that the historical or national rights of Jews are superior to the human rights of non-Jews?
  3. Do you believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity as routinely takes place in territories under Zionist control?
  4. As a Jew do you not feel a special obligation to condemn the State of Israel and demand its abolition for crimes against humanity just as many Germans (e.g., Dr. Seuss) took the lead in opposition to the German racism and ethnic fundamentalism embodied in Nazi Germany?

Non-Jews and anti-Zionist Jews have the right to expect Jewish leaders and politicians to answer these questions.

In Re: [To Africa] Deja vu about Genocide. Or, why it’s okay to sleep with a racist

September 23, 2009

I commented on Deja vu about genocide. Or, why it’s okay to sleep with a racist:

Americans and especially racist ethnic Ashkenazi Americans have no right to babble incoherently about genocide anywhere in the world as long as the USA and Jewish racists continue to support and maintain the racist murderous genocidal State of Israel:

1. Summary: Holocaust and Ashkenazi Genocidalism

2. Yom Kippur and Ashkenazi Genocidalism

3. How Jews Distort Judaic History

In Re: [Columbia Spectator] The persistence of the Massad question

September 23, 2009

I added the following comment to The persistence of the Massad question:

It is the purest hypocrisy for racist Jewish Zionists to blabber about genocide in Sudan when Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim have been leaders in kidnapping, white slaving, financial crime, targeted assassinations, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide for the last 150 years.

In Re: The persistence of the Massad question

It was later removed.

In Re: [Islam in Europe] Antwerp: Report on extremist mosques and organizations

September 3, 2009

I added the following comments to Antwerp: Report on extremist mosques and organizations:

Comment 1:

Just a wee bit tendentious. 

The Deobandi Movement started as a modernizing anti-colonial Islamic reform movement that supported the creation of an independent India and rejected the Islamic separatism the resulted in the creation of Pakistan.

Comment 2:

It is good to have such intelligent comments. 

Yes, many of the students recruited by Mullah Omar come from Deobandi funded schools because the Deobandi movement created schools in Waziristan in order to alleviate poverty. 

Yet the Taliban tended to be close to the Saudi and Pakistani government while Deobandi affiliated groups and parties albeit generally moderate have generally tended to be distrustful of the Pakistani government. 

The Saudis have generally been dubious of Deobandi-affiliated groups because of the sufi origins of the original Deobandi movement.

The material in the report above is so confused that I have to consider it part of a generalized effort to demonize any intellectual movement among Muslims.

Comment 3:

One could write books about Deobandi thinking and its influence. That particular article is so misguided that it is hard to know where to start. 

Take a look at Shasha Rejects Kavon’s Zionist Apologetics for a similar problem. (Kavon was probably less wrong than this article about Deobandis.) 

In any case, the key word is influence. Just as one cannot escape the influence of Martin Luther in protestantism, one that hangs out at Mosques with an Indo-Pak membership, simply will not escape the influence of Deobandi thought.

Comment 4:

The Deobandi School of thought emphasizes service to God, spiritual improvement, scholarship, modernization, coexistence with non-Muslims, knowledge of secular subjects, good citizenship, democratic principles, anti-colonialism, and opposition to terrorism. 

Darululoom, Deoband

Darul Ulum Online

I went over the websites. To put it in the Jewish context, the ideology could be described as a combination of torah im derekh eretz (Hirsh) with musar (Salanter). 

The actual Darululoom Deoband could be analogized to the famous Novardok Yeshiva with the qualification that Darululoom is more open to secular learning and puts greater emphasis on the ethical treatment of non-believers.

Comment 5:

Sounds like Orthodox Judaism. I guess Orthodox Judaism should be considered primitive and pitiless.

Comment 6:

Ulama denounce Taleban decision provides the closest I can find to a Darululoom Deobandi official statement on Bamiyan: 


True to his habit, Maulana Rabey Nadwi, rector of the world-famous Darul Uloom Nadwatul Ulama, who spoke to the MG from his Rai Bareli residence, said that it is a political as well as religious issue; so I am nobody to comment upon the matter. I am not a Mufti so I cannot issue a fatwa and I am not a politician so I cannot make any comment .


BTW, Thornton’s History of the Middle East Database: Persecution of the Jews in Europe puts him in the realm of fantasy and mythology.

Comment 7:

Darululoom Deoband and educating women

Comment 8:

It is worth mentioning that ambiguous attitudes toward the education of women are found in Judaism.

Check out Mishna Sota 3:4.

Ben `Azzai takes the position that “a man ought to give his daughter a knowledge of the Torah.”

Rabbi Eliezer states: “Whoever teaches his daughter Torah, it is as if he teaches her wantonness.”

Shabbat 33b tells us that women are light-minded and is exactly paralleled by a hadith from the Prophet Muhammad (SAAS — al-Bukhari, al-Jami` al Sahih Kitab al-Hayd, Bab 6), who refers to women as naqisat `aql wa-din.

Comment 9:

I find no evidence of major inherent male female mental variation, but the issue of differences between men and women is something on which Christian, Muslim, and Jewish believers tend to agree (as does Larry Summers).

Obviously, when I was trying to drive Summers out of the Harvard presidency terminology like ignorant misogynist and stupidity might have been appropriate — I didn’t use it, but others did.

In sociological and political economic discourse, such terminology is less useful.

Comment 10:

It hardly takes a Harvard education to recognize Thornton’s specious argument.

A bunch of unfortunate incidents, whose context is absent and which are widely separated in time and space, is nothing but propaganda to distract from the crimes that Zionists are committing right now

  1. by brutalizing the native population of Palestine and
  2. by undermining the political and economic system of the USA via corruption, conspiracy and manipulation.

In addition, if I am willing to ignore context as well as separation in space and time, I could come up with an even more impressive list of sufferings of Christians.

After studying Judaica for over 40 years, I can safely say that there simply is no unified phenomenon of anti-Semitism extending back in time for thousands of years.

Anyone peddling such intellectual snake-oil probably has a sinister agenda.

Comment 11:

Controlling the terminology is a way of manipulating or dominating the discussion.

Obviously Zionists attempt to give negative connotations to Wahhabi because the Saudis are competitors with Israel for the status of most important ME ally.

Likewise, Zionists want to make it easier for the US military to kill Afgans and Pakistanis. Thus Deobandi must be given a negative connotation.

I prefer the following terminology.

Westernizing Islamism,

Salafism,

Revolutionary Islamism,

Arab Jihadism,

Revolutionary Jihadism.

Collision: Jewish-Zionist, Arab-Islamic Transnational Politics shows how to use this terminology.

Comment 12:

Whenever I check out one of these ridiculous stories, it invariably turns out to be a complete fabrication or so distorted that it might as well have been a complete fabrication: Disinformation from ABC News.

If you want to engage in anecdotal demonization, we can discuss Jewish black-market organ-vending in the NY NJ area.

And any discussion of murderous terrorism in the ME has to start with the murderous genocidal program of racist E. Europeans to steal Palestine from the native population with justification through the slicing and dicing of Christian and Jewish scripture.

Comment 13:

No, you are the vicious racist bigot that must be treated with scorn and derision by all decent human beings.

The easiest way to explain Islamic practices is by references to Judaism because both religions are sacred law based, and the sacred laws of both religions are very similar.

Yet if one tries to follow the natural procedure, one gets accused of racism or anti-Semitism because Zionists don’t want either an honest discussion of Judaism, Jewish history, or Zionist behavior.

The subtext of the Islamophobic discourse is demonization of Islam in order to legitimize and to justify the continued existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish ethnic fundamentalist state.

I am tired of this dishonesty and prefer that the Zionist subtext be brought out into the open for public discussion.

Comment 14:

Zionists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity. I can identify statements to that effect from Zionists (e.g., Vladimir Dubnow) at least as far back as 1881.

To put the racist inhumanity of Zionism into perspective, referring to the principles of post-WW2 Nuremberg Law can elucidate.

Nuremberg Law clearly criminalizes the territorial Judaization that Zionists have planned since the 19th century and that they have undertaken since the first war of Zionist aggression in 1947-8 . The Nuremberg indictment of the Nationalist Socialist Government charges (International Military Tribunal, vol. 1, p. 63):

In certain occupied territories purportedly annexed to Germany the defendants methodically and pursuant to plan endeavored to assimilate these territories politically, culturally, socially, and economically into the German Reich. They endeavored to obliterate the former national character of these territories. In pursuance of their plans, the defendants forcibly deported inhabitants who were predominantly non-German and replaced them by thousands of German colonists.

If State of Israel replaces GermanyZionist State replaces German Reich, and Jewish replaces German, this count applies to Zionist goals from the start of the Zionist movement until the present day.

In Re: [Err…Whateverz] Revolutionary Hypocrisy, Cultural Relativism, and Arab Gayness

September 2, 2009

I commented on Revolutionary Hypocrisy, Cultural Relativism, and Arab Gayness:

I have suggested to Professor Massad that his analysis would have more universal applicability if he learned more about the history of European sexual identity politics and if he were to use a comparison to elucidate the situation in the Arab world: Origins: Zionist Gay Pubic Diplomacy.